British Prime Minister David Cameron : tolerance for homosexuality takes precedence over orthodox Christian values for child rearing ?

In  the  articles  below  Eunice  and  Owen Johns  were  denied  the  opportunity  to  foster  a  16th child  because  they  said  that   they  could  not  tell  a  child  that  homosexuality  (and  by  extension  the  activities  that  Men who  have  Sex  with Men engage  in)  are  OK

Some  of  these  activities  are  described  by  the  Hard  Cell Playroom  and  include  fisting, felching, rimming, scat, farming, watersports  and  “chariot racing” 


British  Prime  Minister  David  Cameron supports  the ban against  the  Johns

Prime Minister: Court was right in foster row case

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Tuesday, March 08, 2011

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DAVID Cameron says Christians should be “tolerant and welcoming” after hearing how a Derby couple were barred from being foster parents because of their views on homosexuality.

Eunice Johns and her husband Owen were effectively prevented by a judge from becoming foster parents after telling a social worker they would not tell a child that homosexuality was acceptable.

  1. <P>David Cameron brought his Cabinet to meet at Rolls-Royce in Derby yesterday. During his visit, he was given a tour of the company. He is pictured with, from left,  director John Griffiths, chief executive Sir John Rose and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg. More on the Cabinet's historic visit to the city  on Pages 2, 3, 4,&amp; 5.</P>

    David Cameron brought his Cabinet to meet at Rolls-Royce in Derby yesterday. During his visit, he was given a tour of the company. He is pictured with, from left, director John Griffiths, chief executive Sir John Rose and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg. More on the Cabinet’s historic visit to the city on Pages 2, 3, 4,& 5.

They are considering an appeal but the Prime Minister, who was told of the case yesterday while in Derby to hold a meeting of his Cabinet, said the judge’s decision should stand.

Pointing out that he also went to church, Mr Cameron said: “This matter was decided by a court in the appropriate way and I think we should rest with the judgement that was made.”

Asked if he thought Christian views were incompatible with an acceptance of homosexuality he said: “I think Christians should be tolerant and welcoming and broad minded.”

Mr Cameron made the comments as he visited Rolls-Royce, where he held his Cabinet meeting. It was only the second such gathering the Coalition Government had held outside Westminster.

A spokesman for the Johns said Mr Cameron’s response was “lacking in any understanding of the critical situation and conflict between the two groups involved”.

In an exclusive interview with the Derby Telegraph, Mr Cameron also hinted that the Government was planning help for drivers suffering burgeoning petrol prices.

28 February 2011 Last updated at 19:27 GMT

Christian foster couple lose ‘homosexuality views’ case

Mr and Mrs Johns said they could not tell a child homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle

A Christian couple opposed to homosexuality have lost a battle over their right to become foster carers.

Eunice and Owen Johns, 62 and 65, from Derby, said the city council did not want them to look after children because of their traditional views.

The pair, who are Pentecostal Christians, say they were “doomed not to be approved”.

The High Court ruled that laws protecting people from sexual discrimination should take precedence.

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All we were not willing to do was to tell a small child that the practice of homosexuality was a good thing”

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The Pentecostal Christian couple had applied to Derby City Council to be respite carers.

They withdrew their application after a social worker expressed concerns when they said they could not tell a child a homosexual lifestyle was acceptable.

At the High Court, they asked judges to rule that their faith should not be a bar to them becoming carers, and the law should protect their Christian values.

Moral opinionsBut Lord Justice Munby and Mr Justice Beatson ruled that laws protecting people from discrimination because of their sexual orientation “should take precedence” over the right not to be discriminated against on religious grounds.

They said that if children were placed with carers who objected to homosexuality and same-sex relationships, “there may well be a conflict with the local authority’s duty to ‘safeguard and promote the welfare’ of looked-after children”.

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The case is likely to be seen as a landmark decision, as senior judges ruled so decisively against any idea that attitudes might be justified purely because they were Christian in origin.

The court discriminated between kinds of Christianity, saying that Christians in general might well make good foster parents, while people with traditionalist Christian views like Mr and Mrs Johns might well not.

Such views, said the judges, might conflict with the welfare of children.

Significantly, the court said that while there was a right not to face discrimination on the basis on either religion or sexual orientation, equality of sexual orientation took precedence.

This was the most decisive ruling against the idea of Christian values underpinning English law since judges ruled last year that to protect views simply because they were religious would be irrational, divisive and arbitrary.

Today the message was that courts would interpret the law in cases like the Johns’ according to secular and not religious values.

They rejected suggestions that the case involved “a threat to religious liberty”, adding: “No one is asserting that Christians – or, for that matter, Jews or Muslims – are not fit and proper persons to foster or adopt. No-one is contending for a blanket ban.”

Speaking outside the court in London, Mrs Johns said: “All we wanted was to offer a loving home to a child in need. We have a good track record as foster parents.

“We have been excluded because we have moral opinions based on our faith and we feel sidelined because we are Christians with normal, mainstream, Christian views on sexual ethics.

“We are prepared to love and accept any child. All we were not willing to do was to tell a small child that the practice of homosexuality was a good thing.”

The couple, who cared for about 15 children in the 1990s, have called for a public inquiry into the matter.

Derby City Council has welcomed the court’s ruling.

A spokesman said the authority “valued diversity and promoted equality” and “encouraged and supported children in a non judgmental way, regardless of their sexual orientation or preference”.

He added: “The court confirmed that the local authority is properly entitled to consider a prospective foster carer’s views on sexuality when considering their application to become a foster parent and in fact, failure to do so would potentially leave it in breach of its own guidance as well as the National Minimum Standards.”

Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, the lesbian, gay and bisexual charity, said: “Thankfully, Mr and Mrs Johns’ out-dated views aren’t just out of step with the majority of people in modern Britain, but those of many Christians too.

“If you wish to be involved in the delivery of a public service, you should be prepared to provide it fairly to anyone.”

But the Christian Legal Centre reacted to the ruling with dismay and warned that “fostering by Christians is now in doubt”.

The organisation said the judgment “sends out the clear message that orthodox Christian ethical beliefs are potentially harmful to children and that Christian parents with mainstream Christian views are not suitable to be considered as potential foster parents”.

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