” Only in the incoherence of secularism could a functional atheist “christian” theist pastor “marry” same – sex couples – stupidity car dun ! ”
……. Testifyingtotruth …..
A Q & A by
” Question : why do functional atheists insist on being incoherent in their support for the LGBTI agenda” ?
“Answer : because they are non-believing 5th columnists for the LGBT Lobby”
Recommendation : Actively encourage functional atheists to leave christianity and join atheist / secular groups of their choice
Expected response : Functional atheists will not leave the church because they are …. 5th columnists. Their role is to allow the LGBT lobby to say tha some “christians” support homosexuality
Unfortunately the reality is that we are likely to be stuck with 5th columnists functional atheists for some time yet .. ah well , so be it.
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Another United Methodist pastor punished for same-sex marrying
But African members might save the American church from itself
By Steve Weatherbe Nov 21, 2013
Is the United Methodist Church headed for schism over same sex marriage? The Episcopal, Evangelical Lutheran, and Presbyterian Churches all sparked sizeable defections by conservatives when they allowed homosexual coupling.
Meanwhile, internal dissent is growing against the UMC’s Book of Discipline. It states: “The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching.” This week a church court in Pennsylvania suspended Lebanon Pastor Frank Schaefer for 30 days for marrying his son to another man six years ago, the fourth such conviction since 1998, with another four cases pending.
The rift goes very deep
Will the issue split the UMC down the middle? Several regional conferences have voted to dump the ban, and a retired bishop has endorsed change. There are said to be 1,000-plus pastors publicly pledged to perform same-sex marriages, and many do them in open and public defiance of the church.
Take the Rev. Dean Snyder, long time pastor of Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C., who has reportedly celebrated 20 plus homosexual weddings without one complaint. “This [trial] is an effort to push out people who are in ministry with gay and lesbian people. It’s very sad,” he said.
Thomas A. Lambrecht, vice president of Good News, a group of conservative United Methodists, thinks the ruling is fair, giving Schaefer time to consider his future.
Conscious that Schaefer’s supporters are assiduously framing the issue as one of love versus (empty, rigid, doctrinaire) rules, he says, “It would be the very opposite of love for us to refrain from speaking out when people, through ignorance or wilfulness, depart from living by God’s moral framework. Whether the departure be greed, idolatry, gossip, lying, murder, or sexual immorality, these and all other transgressions of God’s moral framework violate the order God inherently placed in the world and lead to physical, social, environmental, emotional and spiritual deterioration, not flourishing.”
Though the early attempts to plant the faith in black Africa were of limited success in the 19th century, they bore enormous fruit in the 20th: Chapter 7.
Saved by the Africans?
Of course, the denominations which lost their conservative wings over this issue are shrinking at an alarming pace, and so is the United Methodist Church – but only in America. As UMC member Mark Tooley, the president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, pointed out in his “Juicy Ecumenism” blog in April, the church is a global institution dominated at its deliberative conferences by African delegates, who are very nearly all adamantly opposed to same sex marriage. Combined with the minority of like-minded conservatives within the U.S., they can keep the ban in place, says Tooley.
That leaves a breakaway by the homophile minority as a possibility, but Tooley shoots it down. “There is virtually no precedent in American, or global, religious history of liberals creating new denominations. Liberals may take over already existing denominations, but when have they generated new ones? It’s very rare.”
It is somehow both satisfying and appropriate knowing that the Methodist missionaries to Africa of centuries past did such a good job teaching the Gospels as universal and eternal truths that the churches they planted can now preserve the home church from error.
- “Methodist pastor who officiated at gay son’s wedding is suspended for 30 days,” Washington Post, Nov. 20, 2013
- “Lambrecht: Don’t ignore Scripture in weighing UM position on homosexuality,” United Methodist Reporter, May 20, 2013.