Another less than useless functional atheist -Archbishop Barry Morgan

This  Blog  is  gently  trying  to  direct  functional atheists  into  more  coherent behaviour   i.e   that  functional atheists  leave  the  christian church  and   go  where  they  belong – to  atheist / secular  groups.  

 Functional  atheists  are  individuals   who claim  to  be  “christian”  but  accept   homosexuality  as  normal. 

They are  functional atheists because their philosophical  position   is  consistent  with  atheism which  denies  “design  with intent  and  for  purpose in the universe. 

 The  atheist  position on homosexuality  is   logically  coherent  but wrong  in that  the  atheist  first premise (axiom)  –  that  there  is  no  God –  is  wrong. 

In  atheism  there  is  no  God   therefore  no  intellect  or mind  existed  before  matter ,  made matter   or   placed  design  in matter  with intent  and  for  purpose.

For atheists  matter  is  the first  cause ; mind  came  from matter and  matter  does  not   pursue  any  particular   purpose  or  objective.

 Matter  simply  responds  to  chance  and  the laws of  physics  and  chemistry.

 In  the  atheistic  philosophical  framework  there  can be  no  absolute  morality  and  everything  is  permissible since human desire and reason alone determine morality

Christian theists  on the other  hand  hold that  an all – wise  , all powerful being  (GOD)  is  the  first  cause.  

Matter was  made by God  and  He imposed  design  on it  from its  initial  chaotic state “with intent  and  for purpose”.

 In the  christian theistic   philosophical  framework  there  is  right and  wrong – determined  by  God ,  His  character , His purpose and His intent.

 Right action and thought conform to  the character , purpose and intent of God. Action and thought which do not conform are morally wrong  and everything  is not permissible.

Someone who  claims  to  be a  christian  theist  i.e  claims  to  believe  that  God  made  the universe,  and  and  claims  to  speak  for  God  in support  of  homosexuality , as  functional atheists  do  ,   imply  that  the designer  of  the universe ( GOD ) is  utterly  incoherent or  mad  or  both  for  a god  who embraces  homosexuality  must  also  reject  the concept  of  “design  with intent and  for  purpose”.


Functional  atheists   are  therefore   totally  incoherent  ( as  christian  theists ) in  addition to  being  completely  un-biblical .

Functional  atheists  are   entitled  to  their  opinion but  not  from a  place  of  incoherence.

 Functional  atheists  belong  to  and  should  speak  from  a   place  of   coherence   –  from   secular /  atheist  groups.  

Of  course  they will not leave the church and   join these groups  for  their  role  is to  function as  5th columnists which allows  LGBT  activists   to claim  that  some  “christians”  support  homosexuality.


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Gay marriage ‘patience’ urged by Archbishop of Wales

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Dr Barry Morgan told the church’s governing body in Llandudno that there was no single Christian viewpoint on issues such as same-sex relationships.

He warned of the dangers of the church being seen as homophobic, but called for discussions to be “charitable”.

Gay marriage became legal in March, but is not yet allowed in church.

After MPs passed the bill to legalise gay marriage in England and Wales, albeit not in church, the Church in Wales ordered a report into same-sex relationships.

The Archbishop has previously said he was surprised that the Church in Wales had not been consulted about the religious restrictions, saying it should have the freedom to make its own decision.

‘Evolved and changed’

And speaking to the governing body on Wednesday, he stressed that Christian teaching did not always offer simple or definitive answers on issues such as same-sex relationships or assisted dying.

“We often see what we want to see,” Dr Morgan said.

“We often use Scripture to reinforce viewpoints that we have already arrived at in other ways and for other reasons.

Dr Barry Morgan  Archbishop of Wales

“Some people have changed their minds for example on women’s ministry and same-sex relationships when they have experienced the ministry of a woman priest in the one case, or discovered their own son or daughter to be gay in the other.”

The Archbishop pointed out that the church’s view on remarriage of divorced people had also “evolved and changed” after it had first been legalised by the state.

He asked: “Will we, as a Church, eventually adopt the same approach as far as same-sex relationships are concerned, as we have done about re-marriage after divorce, or is gay marriage in a different category from the re-marriage of divorced people? Whatever our viewpoints, I hope that our discussions can be charitable.”

Dr Morgan urged clergy keen to publicly bless same-sex marriage to be patient.

“Much as some people may want to do so, the rule is the same as was the case over the re-marriage of divorced people – we need to wait for the Church, as a whole, to decide the matter – and we are beginning that process at this governing body.”

Members will consider reports on same-sex marriage and assisted dying during the two-day meeting but will not be asked to decide the church’s view on either issue.

There will also be discussions about the guidelines on the ordaining of women as bishops, which will be allowed in Wales from September.


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